Written By Wynna
May 9, 2018, 1:16 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Mae
A marvelous addition to Arx's literature, and very illuminating to boot. All should know of this time period and the great changes that it brought under such admirable leaders.
Written By Jev
May 9, 2018, 1:05 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Minutes from last Salon meeting:
(Written upon request)
180 wasted.
(Written upon request)
180 wasted.
Written By Thena
May 9, 2018, 1:03 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Mae
To be fair there are probably only so many ways to write 'we patted ourselves on the back and drank a lot"
Written By Reigna
May 9, 2018, 12:54 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Saoirse
Truly your debating skills are dazzling, your highness!
Written By Reigna
May 9, 2018, 12:51 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Jonathan
Worry not, Squire Jonathan, the whiskey shall flow this evening. Cider and milk as well (This is a proper Oathlands fete afterall!)
I have been working feverishly (Actually it has been Marie, she kicked me out of the kitchen after only a few hours) to ensure this party is as festive as it should be. I have hired musicians, the Wyrmguard chocolate cake is *stunning* and I really hope this gathering will do you both the honor you deserve. I have decided against a goat-themed game for the evening, because the wedded pair should be the focus rather than some barnyard shenanigans. (Shenanigans, Nanny, Nanny goat, get it? I AM funny!)
That being said I should have a few games up my sleeve to keep the guest entertained.
I have been working feverishly (Actually it has been Marie, she kicked me out of the kitchen after only a few hours) to ensure this party is as festive as it should be. I have hired musicians, the Wyrmguard chocolate cake is *stunning* and I really hope this gathering will do you both the honor you deserve. I have decided against a goat-themed game for the evening, because the wedded pair should be the focus rather than some barnyard shenanigans. (Shenanigans, Nanny, Nanny goat, get it? I AM funny!)
That being said I should have a few games up my sleeve to keep the guest entertained.
Written By Saoirse
May 9, 2018, 12:50 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Mae
No.
Written By Aureth
May 9, 2018, 12:47 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Certainly, I wasn't saying anybody was out of favor with the Faith. I was merely expounding upon my expertise in manners, which is obviously considerable.
Written By Saoirse
May 9, 2018, 12:41 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Orazio
That was the general tenor of the debate -- that teaching is not REQUIRED, but making public a need for coin was a gaffe.
Written By Monique
May 9, 2018, 12:40 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
The Gilded Page has added more copies of Mistress Mae Grayhope's excellent tome, 'A HARLEQUIN'S TALE: QUEEN TRISCALI THE BOLD'!
These will hopefully last longer, as a drawing of Princess Alarissa's likeness has been posted next to them, and instructions not to sell her any more of them have been given to the store assistants. Four copies are enough, one might think!
These will hopefully last longer, as a drawing of Princess Alarissa's likeness has been posted next to them, and instructions not to sell her any more of them have been given to the store assistants. Four copies are enough, one might think!
Written By Orazio
May 9, 2018, 12:35 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Aureth
I will say that I disagree, in part, with Archlector Aureth's stance on the issue of payment.
I say in part, because it is that very important phrase "like a common merchant" which matters. Nobility should not be advertising their services, running shopfronts, promoting their own goods or creations openly, or the like. That is obviously tasteless, and beneath those who should not be competing with common merchants for their livelihoods.
That said, this does not mean that any member of the nobility is required to give away their expertise and time for free. If someone /chooses/ to make that sacrifice as an act of devotion, then it surely embodies the Virtue of Charity and Gild is pleased, as should be the recipient of that gift. But no one is /entitled/ to free teaching or service from a noble...or anyone else, for that matter. If someone approaches a noble and says, "I want you to teach me," and the noble sets a price on that teaching, then it is perfectly fine. And, generally, necessary to keep people from being drowned in requests for teaching which do not respect the time it took to garner that expertise and learn how to convey it. In fact, my general feeling is that those who are noble and do not otherwise live off of their earnings as teachers should charge higher prices, as there is a level of prestige from learning from such people, /and/ because it encourages people to seek out teachers who actually need the income, and thus charge more reasonable prices.
While Archlector Aureth is entitled to his opinion, understand that neither Duke Gabriel nor Princess Alarissa are out of favor with the Faith for requiring compensation for their time and expertise.
I say in part, because it is that very important phrase "like a common merchant" which matters. Nobility should not be advertising their services, running shopfronts, promoting their own goods or creations openly, or the like. That is obviously tasteless, and beneath those who should not be competing with common merchants for their livelihoods.
That said, this does not mean that any member of the nobility is required to give away their expertise and time for free. If someone /chooses/ to make that sacrifice as an act of devotion, then it surely embodies the Virtue of Charity and Gild is pleased, as should be the recipient of that gift. But no one is /entitled/ to free teaching or service from a noble...or anyone else, for that matter. If someone approaches a noble and says, "I want you to teach me," and the noble sets a price on that teaching, then it is perfectly fine. And, generally, necessary to keep people from being drowned in requests for teaching which do not respect the time it took to garner that expertise and learn how to convey it. In fact, my general feeling is that those who are noble and do not otherwise live off of their earnings as teachers should charge higher prices, as there is a level of prestige from learning from such people, /and/ because it encourages people to seek out teachers who actually need the income, and thus charge more reasonable prices.
While Archlector Aureth is entitled to his opinion, understand that neither Duke Gabriel nor Princess Alarissa are out of favor with the Faith for requiring compensation for their time and expertise.
Written By Karadoc
May 9, 2018, 12:27 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Mae
Oh, well then. I only attend Salon debates for the refreshments. Does this make me one of the ridic(ulous)? Probably. There's no shame in my game.
Written By Jordan
May 9, 2018, 12:20 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Shard
That village you describe reminds me of my own. And my village is gone.
I guess it is funny that things work the same way for both sides of this.
If you can show me the village's whereabouts in the map, maybe I can help them.
I'd be glad to.
I guess it is funny that things work the same way for both sides of this.
If you can show me the village's whereabouts in the map, maybe I can help them.
I'd be glad to.
Written By Mae
May 9, 2018, 12:16 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
There's a lot I have to write about. A lot on my mind. But through it all, one thing is continuing to annoy me. And so I'm going to try my best to start a fight in the white journals.
Why can The Salon not actually produce anything? Why are all their meetings held so randomly, with no one bothering to write anything down? I keep being told I can read the entire minutes of the meeting, but it's usually followed by some indication that no one was paying close enough attention to be able to say what happened at their latest debate. Or, more overtly, as one princess put it, everyone was too drunk to write anything down.
I've written to three (four?) members of The Salon about my grievances. I'll write them publicly, now.
Please, members of The Salon, write down what the debate was about, a summary of the various stances taken, and if there was any outcome. It's not that much work, and in doing so you might actually prove yourself useful! I'll even see that these write-ups get published and distributed!
Pretty please?
(And for anyone who wants to say "Why don't you do it, Mae?", I say to you, "Why don't you do it, you?" )
If this task truly is impossible, I'll be satisfied if The Salon formally renames itself to the "Rich, Idle, Drunk, Ineffective Club". Ridic, for short.
Why can The Salon not actually produce anything? Why are all their meetings held so randomly, with no one bothering to write anything down? I keep being told I can read the entire minutes of the meeting, but it's usually followed by some indication that no one was paying close enough attention to be able to say what happened at their latest debate. Or, more overtly, as one princess put it, everyone was too drunk to write anything down.
I've written to three (four?) members of The Salon about my grievances. I'll write them publicly, now.
Please, members of The Salon, write down what the debate was about, a summary of the various stances taken, and if there was any outcome. It's not that much work, and in doing so you might actually prove yourself useful! I'll even see that these write-ups get published and distributed!
Pretty please?
(And for anyone who wants to say "Why don't you do it, Mae?", I say to you, "Why don't you do it, you?" )
If this task truly is impossible, I'll be satisfied if The Salon formally renames itself to the "Rich, Idle, Drunk, Ineffective Club". Ridic, for short.
Written By Lumen
May 9, 2018, 12:14 p.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Aureth
It pleases me so to hear that you are thus satisfied, Blessed. Be well.
Written By Aureth
May 9, 2018, 11:44 a.m.(9/17/1008 AR)
The question is certainly not whether the sum is "unfair" or "unwarranted". In terms of value alone, instruction in the art of war by a true master might fetch any price its wielder could possibly demand. The question was whether it is socially appropriate for the Peerage to charge in silver for services like a common merchant and the answer to that question has always been "obviously not".
However uncommon the merchant in this case.
Now, if the question is "why should Duke Gabriel Bisland, former Regent of the Compact, master of warcraft, and general of House Grayson, give two shits about what is socially appropriate if he has the skills and someone else is willing to pay him?" that is a very different question, and if some men are wholly beyond the ordinary rules of etiquette because they have surpassed it, I am the last man in Arx to deny them that credit.
And if the Whispers are going to support him in it because some men are beyond the rules, then that makes it official, for they are the true social arbiters of society, and any plaint I had is surely satisfied.
But if you aren't Duke Gabriel Bisland, you probably aren't going to get away with it -- and if you're reading this and you _are_ Duke Gabriel Bisland, dear gods, why?
However uncommon the merchant in this case.
Now, if the question is "why should Duke Gabriel Bisland, former Regent of the Compact, master of warcraft, and general of House Grayson, give two shits about what is socially appropriate if he has the skills and someone else is willing to pay him?" that is a very different question, and if some men are wholly beyond the ordinary rules of etiquette because they have surpassed it, I am the last man in Arx to deny them that credit.
And if the Whispers are going to support him in it because some men are beyond the rules, then that makes it official, for they are the true social arbiters of society, and any plaint I had is surely satisfied.
But if you aren't Duke Gabriel Bisland, you probably aren't going to get away with it -- and if you're reading this and you _are_ Duke Gabriel Bisland, dear gods, why?
Written By Venturo
May 9, 2018, 10:08 a.m.(9/16/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Jonathan
Fear not, Master Fieldstone. I know first hand that Violet shall have more of her whiskey (and cider!) filling her office within the next day or two. Of course, what she chooses to do with it? I cannot say. Congratulations, by the way. Even for a man such as myself who lives in the moment, a surprise marriage is more than I could manage. Best wishes to along, healthy and lucky life to you and your wife.
Written By Jonathan
May 9, 2018, 10:02 a.m.(9/16/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Genevieve
My darling wife speaks for me in this too when it comes to Veronica, and to our happiness.
That being said, /do/ any of you have whiskey to spare?
That being said, /do/ any of you have whiskey to spare?
Written By Austen
May 9, 2018, 9:57 a.m.(9/16/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Joscelin
She would do the same for me, I have no doubt.
Written By Kaine
May 9, 2018, 9:52 a.m.(9/16/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Jonathan
I was drawing up designs for a wedding gown, minding my own business, when suddenly I hear that Jonathan is getting married?! Or has gotten married?! That's surprising! Good for him!
Although I guess that offer for his family's old wedding rings is off the table. That's fine! I'll have a new pair made when the time comes.
It must really be the season for marriage like Princess Sabella says.
Although I guess that offer for his family's old wedding rings is off the table. That's fine! I'll have a new pair made when the time comes.
It must really be the season for marriage like Princess Sabella says.
Written By Joscelin
May 9, 2018, 9:45 a.m.(9/16/1008 AR)
Relationship Note on Austen
I would discuss that with your very-capable sister. But if you need references I can provide a list.
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