Written By Niklas
June 20, 2018, 1 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Lots of people here talking about lying when it comes to saving lives and preventing disasters, which, okay, sure, why not?
But what about lying because it's fun?
Lying is the best!
I've always said, never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.
But what about lying because it's fun?
Lying is the best!
I've always said, never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.
Written By Oriana
June 20, 2018, 12:47 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Reigna
To further complicate the issue... there are larger and smaller truths. Lana, replying to her Lord could quite honestly say of a larger truth, 'Truly, my lord, I have much to be grateful for.' Or, perhaps, a smaller in-the-moment truth, 'I have had better days, my lord, but you'll forgive me that it is nothing I wish to discuss. How are you and yours?'
Written By Bliss
June 20, 2018, 12:46 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Fairen
It is curious, isn't it?
So let me speak on this some, as someone who has Devoted herself to Him.
I do not believe I have consciously told a lie in ... Months, at the least. Perhaps longer. There have been cases where there have been, perhaps, lies by omission, but if I have it's because there is a single goal: to hold firm to the vows that I have sworn, and the trusts that have been placed in me, particularly as a Whisper.
This is not to say that there are times I won't, but they must be extreme, they must be to save lives or right some injustice that can only be righted in that way, when there is no other option left. Marquessa Quenia has provided an example of what I am talking about. Still, I would find myself torn on the matter, and I would find myself seeking penance of some kind to make it right in my head.
Without integrity, we cannot function. And you know? When I have told the truth to people, even when they didn't want to hear it, even when it meant I couldn't be that which they wanted to be, I've found it only earned their respect. Yes, they railed on me in the moment, but then they know that - no matter what - I will hold to my vows.
So let me speak on this some, as someone who has Devoted herself to Him.
I do not believe I have consciously told a lie in ... Months, at the least. Perhaps longer. There have been cases where there have been, perhaps, lies by omission, but if I have it's because there is a single goal: to hold firm to the vows that I have sworn, and the trusts that have been placed in me, particularly as a Whisper.
This is not to say that there are times I won't, but they must be extreme, they must be to save lives or right some injustice that can only be righted in that way, when there is no other option left. Marquessa Quenia has provided an example of what I am talking about. Still, I would find myself torn on the matter, and I would find myself seeking penance of some kind to make it right in my head.
Without integrity, we cannot function. And you know? When I have told the truth to people, even when they didn't want to hear it, even when it meant I couldn't be that which they wanted to be, I've found it only earned their respect. Yes, they railed on me in the moment, but then they know that - no matter what - I will hold to my vows.
Written By Fairen
June 20, 2018, 12:34 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
I find it rather curious that not once in a discussion regarding integrity and honesty has Limerance been brought into the conversation. Yet other Gods have.
Written By Sina
June 20, 2018, 12:16 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Today, I'll be visiting the Shrine of the First Choice, and then on to the Lodge of Petrichor. But first, I have some work to do, as I've been given leave to work on a project for the Society of Explorers, and the Scholars, which I am quite excited about.
Written By Aureth
June 20, 2018, 12:05 p.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
I know factually that several of the people claiming that lying is unacceptable have lied, and that makes me naturally suspicious of the rest.
Absolutes are interesting, but real choices are the ones that matter, not the ones you claim to make to moralize before others.
Absolutes are interesting, but real choices are the ones that matter, not the ones you claim to make to moralize before others.
Written By Wylla
June 20, 2018, 11:35 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Sparte
Speaking of which, I announced your idea at the destruction of the Shrine of Jayus! I hope people have contacted you regarding it. For those of you who were not there, Sparte had the wonderful idea of people dedicating building materials at the Shrine to Jayus, if they could not themselves build it. Please contact him or me and we'll keep track of the dedications as the new year progresses.
People seemed to like the idea, I think!
People seemed to like the idea, I think!
Written By Sparte
June 20, 2018, 11:30 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
What is the value of a stone, a prayer, a simple mark on rock?
It is the value it has been given, by those who make it and those who see it. By those who pray, who dream, who believe, and who doubt.
I hope. I am disinclined to believe hope gives any value, but I do it anyway. I wonder why that is? Is isn't quite belief, it isn't quite doubt. Hope is uncertainty without denial of possibility. Hope is potential.
I want these rocks, however small and varied, to have potential. I hope others will want the same.
It is the value it has been given, by those who make it and those who see it. By those who pray, who dream, who believe, and who doubt.
I hope. I am disinclined to believe hope gives any value, but I do it anyway. I wonder why that is? Is isn't quite belief, it isn't quite doubt. Hope is uncertainty without denial of possibility. Hope is potential.
I want these rocks, however small and varied, to have potential. I hope others will want the same.
Written By Fredrik
June 20, 2018, 11:27 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Reigna
From: Desk of Fredrik RedTyde
Subject: Acceptable Lying
Is it ever acceptable? Well, that is a very difficult question, because what is socially acceptable changes throughout history. For example, before a few weeks ago it was socially acceptable for a shaman to work as a Mercy, provided they venerated Lagoma. This is not to comment on the Dominus' edict or it's righteousness, merely to show that what is acceptable changes often, and that includes what it is acceptable to omit or lie about. Without the lie of omission, one is asked to answer challenges, be lambasted in the Whites, or even be persecuted, depending on the strength of that which they hold in different view from the social norm. But while I can waggle my hand at the acceptability of it socially, when it comes to it being /necessary/?
Yes. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary. A lie kept me alive for almost twenty years while my family was hunted down and killed. Whether we deserved it or not is immaterial for this discussion, because the point stands that if I had not lied to the Thrax, and to anyone else that asked during those years? I would have been murdered in a brutal fashion, and most likely my adopted ones and my crew would have been as well. So yes, sometimes it is absolutely necessary, even if not acceptable.
An extreme example, I admit it, but it is the one I have, even if I know almost nobody will have to be put in those extremes and thus it is not relevant to them.
Subject: Acceptable Lying
Is it ever acceptable? Well, that is a very difficult question, because what is socially acceptable changes throughout history. For example, before a few weeks ago it was socially acceptable for a shaman to work as a Mercy, provided they venerated Lagoma. This is not to comment on the Dominus' edict or it's righteousness, merely to show that what is acceptable changes often, and that includes what it is acceptable to omit or lie about. Without the lie of omission, one is asked to answer challenges, be lambasted in the Whites, or even be persecuted, depending on the strength of that which they hold in different view from the social norm. But while I can waggle my hand at the acceptability of it socially, when it comes to it being /necessary/?
Yes. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary. A lie kept me alive for almost twenty years while my family was hunted down and killed. Whether we deserved it or not is immaterial for this discussion, because the point stands that if I had not lied to the Thrax, and to anyone else that asked during those years? I would have been murdered in a brutal fashion, and most likely my adopted ones and my crew would have been as well. So yes, sometimes it is absolutely necessary, even if not acceptable.
An extreme example, I admit it, but it is the one I have, even if I know almost nobody will have to be put in those extremes and thus it is not relevant to them.
Written By Oswyn
June 20, 2018, 11:24 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
I've decided on a project to achieve the rank of Senior Scholar. I have quite a bit of other research to get through before I really begin, but the idea has been approved and that's something.
I'll have to borrow a number of maps to copy. Possibly I can work on the new project while on my journey with Lady Nightgold.
I'll have to borrow a number of maps to copy. Possibly I can work on the new project while on my journey with Lady Nightgold.
Written By Derovai
June 20, 2018, 11:20 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Quenia
"Especially if your life and the lives of the people surrounding you may be on the line, or the lives of others in general."
I think I'd rearrange those priorities a bit, although I doubt you meant the implication of this arrangement as putting oneself first. In any case: the lives of others in general, then those of people surrounding you, then your own life. Lying to save your own life in advance of lying to save others' strikes me as being somewhat ethically unsound, but lying to save another's may be an extremely ethical deed, depending on the lie itself and the circumstances surrounding it.
I think I'd rearrange those priorities a bit, although I doubt you meant the implication of this arrangement as putting oneself first. In any case: the lives of others in general, then those of people surrounding you, then your own life. Lying to save your own life in advance of lying to save others' strikes me as being somewhat ethically unsound, but lying to save another's may be an extremely ethical deed, depending on the lie itself and the circumstances surrounding it.
Written By Reigna
June 20, 2018, 10:38 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Derovai
I find it boorish that even after you have been told not to speak to me that you insist on pushing the bounds by specifically referring to my whites and then attempt to imply that I am the one who initiated contact. Please stop.
Written By Merek
June 20, 2018, 9:52 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
I am recording this as an account of an expedition to Stormwall. We went there to find someone who had been selling anything that he could manage to get people to bring him, to profit from what happened. We found two women in an old shop which was abandoned, and she was rescued by another when I went in to assist as well as the building was in shambles from the battle. It was a simple affair in reality, but I'm glad it was all solved with everyone alright.
Written By Merek
June 20, 2018, 9:44 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Jacali
An Alchemist from the Lowers. I would recommend it (her shop) to those that wish to purchase some good stuff that you can drink.
Written By Merek
June 20, 2018, 9:42 a.m.(1/18/1009 AR)
The cold weather has been nice, it is a bit easier to warm a house than it is to cool it. Still, I like all the seasons. Though a lot has been going on, a lot of things that are good also happen, like the weddings!
Written By Gwenna
June 20, 2018, 8:58 a.m.(1/17/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Arik
While I do not know Lord Arik all that well yet, I am excited to get to work alongside him for House Redrain. If he's half as wonderful as his sister, Lady Khanne, I'm sure we will be fast friends.
Written By Gwenna
June 20, 2018, 8:50 a.m.(1/17/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Marian
For all that she has done for House Redrain and countless others across the city, never mind for me personally, my recording of how grateful I am for Princess Marian is perhaps quite overdue. She is genuinely one of the most selfless people I know who is always willing to teach those who wish to better themselves. It does not seem to matter if those may be in pursuits of the martial - of which she is deservedly renown - or otherwise. Marian cares deeply for people and their circumstances, her heart truly with them whether they be Redrain or not. I've had the honor to accompany her on a few endeavors and see this for myself. For a woman who has known such great tragedies in her time, who might have let her heart be hardened by them, she instead embraces life all the more, I think. Though, perhaps, I get a bit overly poetic and do not mean to be. I think we would be hard-pressed to find someone to equal her knowledge, efficiency, and expertise as a War Chief. Her support of me has been unwavering, whether with advise or just a kind word offering to be there if I might need her, and I'm so grateful to call her both family and friend.
Written By Hadrian
June 20, 2018, 8:25 a.m.(1/17/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Cambria
I knew I forgot to tell her something about one of her uncles.
Written By Quenia
June 20, 2018, 8:15 a.m.(1/17/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Reigna
Is it ever acceptable to lie? I'd say, in some cases, yes. Especially if your life and the lives of the people surrounding you may be on the line, or the lives of others in general.
I learned that lesson the hard way. I told him I was dealing with family issues, that were unavoidable, to delay the wedding until the investigation ended. I suppose you could argue that it was true, it was. But, I still had doubts at that time, and having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that he could have done the things others said he'd done. I wasn't sure, and I felt all the poorly for it. Each single day after that was excruciating. But, then, he lied to me first. And, his lie was was so, so much worse than the one I had to tell. His omission too, when I told him that others had betrayed me in the past, and that I was wary of a relationship. But, I let one foster and grow, and he'd betrayed me as others have.
So, yes. In some cases. I think it is acceptable. But, it doesn't make you feel any better for having done it, or any less a liar, even if it saved lives.
I learned that lesson the hard way. I told him I was dealing with family issues, that were unavoidable, to delay the wedding until the investigation ended. I suppose you could argue that it was true, it was. But, I still had doubts at that time, and having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that he could have done the things others said he'd done. I wasn't sure, and I felt all the poorly for it. Each single day after that was excruciating. But, then, he lied to me first. And, his lie was was so, so much worse than the one I had to tell. His omission too, when I told him that others had betrayed me in the past, and that I was wary of a relationship. But, I let one foster and grow, and he'd betrayed me as others have.
So, yes. In some cases. I think it is acceptable. But, it doesn't make you feel any better for having done it, or any less a liar, even if it saved lives.
Written By Edward
June 20, 2018, 8:04 a.m.(1/17/1009 AR)
Relationship Note on Vanora
The feast was wonderful. Well thought out and well prepared.
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